#50 - David Stanford: Building for people, not profit.

David Stanford is a husband, father, entrepreneur and successful businessman.

Born in England, David migrated to Australia with his family at the age of 2 years old, he was raised in country Victoria (Australia), forced to go to University as a young man, got kicked out, joined the Australian Army Reserves, before realising his prowess in construction management. This led David to establishing his own successful construction company. 

Currently, David resides in Bali with his wife Sarah, son Ned, and, like all of us, they are sitting tight through the intensity of a global pandemic and time of uncertainty. 

David's logical, matter of fact, no-bullshit approach to life is refreshing and delivered with grace.

On this week's episode, David is with me (in isolation) on the the most special day of the year in the Balinese calendar...Nyepi. It was the perfect opportunity for David to reflect, share his journey, experiences, challenges and hopes for the future.

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spk_0:   0:00
I'm having you. Okay. Talks Guest is David Stanford. David is a husband, father, entrepreneur and successful businessman born in England. Migrated to Australia with his family at the age of two years old. Raised in country Victoria, forced to go to university. Got kicked out of university. Joined the Australian Army reserves before realizing his skill set in the construction management industry, which led him to establishing his own construction company. These guys dive has established a loft style bar design residing in Bali with his young family and sitting taught through the intensity of a global pandemic. Dave's logical matter of fact. No bullshit approach to life is refreshing and he delivers it with grace today. Davies, with me on this very special Balinese nippy holiday The day of silence. The day of reflection with me in isolation to share his journey experiences, challenges and hopes for the future. David Stanford. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, brother. Wow, What a day. What an interesting time

spk_1:   1:23
in her life.

spk_0:   1:24
How you feeling?

spk_1:   1:26
Um I'm feeling like I Yeah, it's Doc. That's our doc. You're always Nicholas

spk_0:   1:33
hand So yours under the under the makeshift. Um, covert writing that Dave put together because it isn't yet be, which is the Balinese National Day of Silence. You're not allowed to leave your house, you know, Let's put lots on. You know, Latal use like TV's or electronic equipment, Really? And if you are sitting with a lot on, you get in trouble. So I dives like, rigged up this light. So just ever consider each other's faces badly. It's hardly a lot. Dude, I'm so glad we're doing it on

spk_1:   2:07
yuppie. It's, uh obviously this was something that we conquered together today, and I'm I'm going to be a part of a been a big supporter of your podcast. And it's a great pleasure and an honor to be on here.

spk_0:   2:22
It's in orderto have you. And I know you just said then that we, like, just threw it together today. Well, actually, I've actually been thinking about having you on for longer than today, so I'd actually thought about it last week. Um, and it just dawned on me, and I've got this thing with the broadcast like the right when it's when it's time to have a guest on, it just seems to be the right time and given our circumstances in our situation today, being living next to each other during the epi and obviously this time of a global pandemic, we're in social isolation. I guess the time is right to have you on, brother.

spk_1:   2:59
Just let Thea listeners know we are a meter

spk_0:   3:02
apart. Meter and 1/2 I think. Radar, huh? Yeah. Okay. You gotta stop trying to like blowing kisses at that. That's that's not that's not That's not on, okay, because it's that that stuff travels by. Yeah, but I don't know. And yet you say it's your first nippy This is

spk_1:   3:18
ever been here on and off, probably more on than off for five years and never actually being here. And maybe probably because it falls around school holidays. So I guess. And it's always a good time to get out and refresh and get back to the island. And not that we didn't want to be here for nappy, but just never really had that opportunity with vases and things that we have been here minutes. I actually went meant to be here women to be in Australia right now, and we ah, for a number of different reasons are here, and we're very happy to be here. And we're happy with the company that we're here with. And yeah, we couldn't be happier.

spk_0:   3:59
So but can you maybe guaranteed day tell about why you aren't in this trial there like you? You meant to get back there for a holiday or Yeah,

spk_1:   4:07
So we we've been on the island nearly coming on 12 months, which is a long time in anyone's, uh, time in Bali. It's always good to get off off the island and refresh. Well, that's why we feel, anyway. And we already booked a holiday to go home and say family and friends before the pandemic came And just I think there's a few factors of God on Mother that's inner light, seventies meet seventies. Um, she's had some health issues. Um, the uncertainty of how many people on this island actually have the disease, which, uh, I'm not saying I'm 100% but I believe our families had it. We've all been sick weevil experienced symptoms that would suggest way might have had it not severe symptoms, just symptoms that couldn't be explained at the time. And we were returning back from an overseas trip and it was a week after we returned back. So look, I think there's a lot of people here that have had it, um and have got on with it and I know it. There's an opportunity is probably it could get worse and it could. It could blow over. We don't know. We just don't But what, Especially out our unit of family, especially Sarah myself a Ned, we don't particularly. I think about things that could happen. We just live in the now. And that's why we decided we wanted to be at our home, which is the home we've built in Bali instead of going to hell. I guess our real home in Australia and having that race give passing that on or not passing it on. And even if we didn't pass it on and someone quartered in the town, we would say OK, blame to let me be honest. So it was sort of like a case of I also spoke with my brother, who is very honest. Hey had to sign some stuff at work to say he wouldn't come into contact with anyone from Indonesia, otherwise his job was in jeopardy. So he was saying, you know, and then with the lock down stuff, we're gonna be in isolation for that period that we're gonna be home and with Marta sane family and friends for a couple of days. Andi just didn't feel right to us. Just felt not that it wasn't the right thing for us to go in isolation. It just didn't feel right for us to go there and do that and then just come back. So we decided just to thio renew the visa quickly over, not and then got back. And we figure we'll ride it out here and what will be will be,

spk_0:   6:48
man, I love that. Yeah, I mean, really kind of following the advice that's being put out there, and that is just to stay home and stay put.

spk_1:   6:57
Yeah, And we've been we've been going out for necessities and doing things that we normally would do to make yourself normal, going to the beach and still isolating and being away from people. But you're still having a good time and still living out our lives and getting on with business. So I guess No.

spk_0:   7:18
Yeah. You just actually said something then that I didn't because I've been, you know, we're in unprecedented times, like, I think everyone I speak to just get the same reaction out of him. It's this combination of like, just complete disbelief. Confusion is a big one. Ah, anxiety fee. And it's this combination of all those things. I think people are just still feeling like they can't believe that we can be. So I guess, blocked off from one another on. I do understand the whole rationale behind social isolation, everything like it's it makes sense. I'm not gonna to bite any of that. But you did just raise a good point than you and I. If you do currently live in Indonesia, and then you go back to your country at this stage, given how, given how much friction there is, how much intensity around this topic is, Yeah, he's probably making yourself liable to be blamed if someone got sick.

spk_1:   8:25
Yeah, I I think that's the case. That's how we felt. And we just didn't want that angst. We didn't wantto go back and have like, we had things booked in with friends and we had friends, family things booked in, and we were ready to go back and spread the love and and see people we hadn't seen for 12 months and just even the amount of messages and things that we were saving. Just asking if we're still coming like people were on edge. And I think it's due to the media coverage, everything in Australia and and I I get it like I get the scare tactics. I get the whole thing, but you don't have to buy into it. And I think if you sit there and look at your phone and Dole dive into a ll, the information that's there and get caught up in it, it's one thing. And look, I don't know what like five years ago, we made a decision not to get involved in a lot of media. We don't listen to the news. We don't watch television. We don't even own a television. And just being in your own space, that you're the space that actually affecting your life and actually just engaging into that is so profound because you're cutting out all this information officer important information. I get that, but it's information that if you didn't into your brain, you'll never, ever, ever come into contact with it. And it's just another thing you've got to work out where you place that. And it's another thing you can get hung up on. And it's another thing that you can. It's just another thing that keeps you up at night, 100%. But, you know, I always miss the laughter. You get all the bad news stories, and then you get the couple of cuddly pandas at the end that sweetens the deal. I do miss the pandas.

spk_0:   10:15
I love pandas so

spk_1:   10:16
that I can still look him up on YouTube

spk_0:   10:18
night. That cute eyes. Thank you. Can't let you like a little panda yourself. Thank you. Um, yeah, man, I'm with you there. I, um I like what you said about not looking at social media and stuff. I must have been in the last year or so of actually being back on social media, but I went through, appeared I didn't use social media for three years. I logged off everything. I was like, I was done because I felt like I was impacting on my relationship with my daughter when she was first born. And so I just I'm done. I mean, you know, um and I didn't miss it at all. However, to be completely honest, sense of started the podcast. I realized that it's a really good main means to connect with people. And I decided that 70 people are putting shitty information out there and shit content out there. And I'm not saying my content is good, but I'm just saying like, Well, if people are doing it, I'm gonna try to and try and make sure it's a little bit positive at least. And, um, I do want to spread positivity. So I'm trying to utilize it for that. Yeah, But in recent times, um, I have been getting sucked into the vast amounts of misinformation going around, you know, and it actually made me stop, step back and go. In this day and age, I have a choice over the media that I can consume. I can choose the media that I consume. Back in the day, when I was a kid, we had, like, two channels on our TV, like I'm sure by a chippy, always of four channels. So you had the six o'clock news and then you had the daily newspaper and that was it? And then even earlier than that. Our grandparent's probably just had the newspaper. That was all they had. But most of their information was gauged exactly what you said off their immediate environment. Correct. So far engaging things off my immediate environment right now. Um, everything seems fine. Same. I don't go, Tia. It does in my I don't know anyone that deal And I don't know anyone that knows anyone that is ill. But I'm not saying in any way that this is not a serious situation. It is. I get it because I've chosen Thio. Look at the most what I think, accurate forms of media who are providing accurate data. So I've actually tried to be oblivious to all this. And I know we've talked about this off off record and you've sort of been has been the same. But I actually have just a couple nights ago, I decided to delve right into the numbers and stuff like that, and, um, yeah, I get it. It's serious. It is

spk_1:   12:51
serious. And I'm not saying it's not serious, but I'm also saying that we're of a healthy age bracket were both very healthy, active people we have a very healthy, active son. Um and not everyone is in that situation. Not everyone is lucky enough to be, um, blessed with everyone being healthy. But we are. And that's why we decided to ride this out here because we didn't just come here. Thio have a cool lifestyle. We came here because we picked this country for the people. The as son to be here. Thio grow up in this environment which we found to be amazing and for us to just turn around. It's not about stuff. We don't have staff. We don't have a driver. I have two arms and two legs and a brain and a license, so I tend to drive my own car. And Sarah is also a fantastic driver. I'll put that in there. Um uh

spk_0:   14:00
oh. Played.

spk_1:   14:01
And we're here because we've made lifelong friends here and some of them have gone home, and that is their decision. And I don't old grudges or and these people that we know that have just gone on holidays and got stuck. Yeah. So look what we understand. There's lots of different ways to do this. And we just want everyone to be supportive of everyone's way because no one knows what's going on. No one knows the real answer, but if everyone could just support each other in their decision, everyone will be a little bit happier.

spk_0:   14:35
Yeah, and I think like staying home is just a a kind and responsible thing to do fundamental erect at the moment. If you don't know and you're not an expert, which most of us are, just stay home yet Stay clean, stay healthy. And at several, that's a responsible, inclined thing to do. Because, like you said, it seems like the orderly and the people with compromised immune systems are most at risk. Corrects I avoid those people if you, you know, possible. So, yeah, that the good messages dive. And I do Originally from England. Yeah, I never knew that about you. I thought it was just all the Dave.

spk_1:   15:17
Yeah, I know. And I'm off William A greater, uh, when I was two. So being back once as a, uh, I'd say seven or eight year old, um, in plan on going back at some point. But it's not high on my priority. I don't consider myself English. Um

spk_0:   15:37
e you've lived in a shame. Yeah,

spk_1:   15:43
my parents made a big move, Um, in their early thirties, and it was a lot bigger than may moving here, Um, take my hat off and respect them for what they did. And then even though the first you know, three or four years in Australia and to stick around, you know, four Children, um, all under the age of 12 to pack up, everything could move across the other side of the world when there was no Internet. No riel means to know where you're going. No chance to stick it on a plane at that point. Just go and have a holiday for a bit and have a look around, you know, get a couple of drinks down on the job. Long waterfront like it was literally Look at this brochure. And at that time, Joe Long had just planted a PPE of, ah, palm trees around the bay and put some fake sand there on. And there's some photos taken. And there was a job there. Dad was in the shoe industry himself. Made, um, Legend of the industry. Um busy. Yea. Hey, was, um he was taken out of school it. I'll say 14 model. Been younger. 14. I think, um, his parents couldn't afford that. Had a lot of Children. Um, back then it was, um it was a tough times in England, into the walls and things. And, you know, he tells stories about having a bath on a Sunday, which was the only day they really washed and having just a top in front of the fire that hated up with water and the youngest sibling winning first and went down the line. And Dad was the last one in the water, and that was, you know, he was. He couldn't read or write until he was in his mid to late twenties, when my mom told him how to read and write, because he wanted to go and apply for a management role at the Shoes shoe company that he started sweeping the floors at when he was 14 years old. So he worked his way up to only his own company in a partnership, Um, before he's 30 but really poor business knowledge at the time and, um, end up getting worked over by a prick. And that's that's one of those things. If you're in your hometown out. So you gotta face the music, I guess, And you gotto go out on the street and people know your business. And they just had a feeling that they wanted to start fresh. And I don't know why they picked Australia. They did it because they thought it would be a better life for their family. And it was a big move because we have no family in Australia. And yeah, it was just something that I do thank them for probably not enough to their face. But I do. Thank my lucky stars that I didn't grow up in England and then I did actually get the opportunity go to Australia and and growing up in a lifestyle there. And yeah, it was a shock for him when they moved because it was the middle of the Australian summer. Somewhat sorry winter in Victoria in Victoria.

spk_0:   18:56
So we're the same whether

spk_1:   18:57
they thought they were going somewhere with pine trees in 30 degrees every day. And you couldn't just google the weather like

spk_0:   19:03
there was just

spk_1:   19:03
no Internet. And then I packed everything to a a big shipping container and they went after Crais across the world on a plane and they got off the plane and we're all dressed in shorts and T shirts. I got off the plane. It was like I was in the morning and more been six degrees. And Mom was like,

spk_0:   19:22
You told me it was going to be hot. And for

spk_1:   19:26
the first straight months, we lived in passing opportunity shop. Close because all about winter clothes. Where in transit. Why so ever walked around? And, yeah, we did it tough. Like we dad, Mom had to start off your life. And And I've heard you on your podcasts about hell. Kroger's try was back then to look even for English. You know, you're a stinky old poem.

spk_0:   19:51
Yeah, the £10 poem. Yeah, without a family with £10 poems. But the Australian government had that initiative without trying to attract Yep, you know, build the population and build industry, and they're offering these £10 tickets to Australia. Just just start a new life and what you just said like I can't I can't imagine how hard it babe moving ritually the other side of the world away from all your support networks like family, friends, things that are familiar with four kids with four kids. Do it. It's heavy, you know. But we take it so for granted. But imagine you're in the same situation. But you didn't speak the language. Yeah, and then no one else spoke your language. Like in play even harder. People do that'll the time and it's like, Yeah, just a bit of tolerance. Yeah, Like like you said. Your people just looking for a better life. Yeah, like how you move to Bali

spk_1:   20:47
and made our move a bit easy Here, tow have their blessing. And I guess I had no choice because they did it to their parents.

spk_0:   20:55
Have found a better life. You think here at the moment?

spk_1:   20:57
Yeah, I think so. We'll look for May. It is. I feel, Aiken, I could meet someone new, even on on a weekly basis and getting spired. Look, they don't even need to be inspiring person or an inspiring story. It's just everyone seems to be on a similar path. It could be a completely different trail, but it's a similar path on the They seem to rub off so much positivity, and it's just a very positive place and I feel I feel much more positive here today and I do at home.

spk_0:   21:38
It didn't feel like you're more afraid to be yourself.

spk_1:   21:40
Ah, 100%. I think you can explore yourself more here. You can. Ah, probably due to the fact of having more time. It's at home if you're not working yet. What else are you doing? Um, I can definitely be a better father. Could definitely be a better husband most of the time, apparently. But I can. You can be more too much time spin occasionally, Um, but it's sort of for us now in a little unit off. Three. It It certainly feels right and even just like recently, with all this stuff like Not that we are happy about the current of it. We still happy Look, even just oscillating together and stuff. Forget Spain. Cool

spk_0:   22:32
what he's doing. It's

spk_1:   22:34
It's cool, look, and it's probably because we're Saudis with spending so much time together already, whereas

spk_0:   22:39
I can tell

spk_1:   22:40
maybe some other like even back home. Not many people spend that much time together. They're always off with work or sport or whatever they're doing or the kids sport or we do everything together and it can have its downfalls because you've spent too much time. But most of the time it's It's certainly high on my priority to be spending a lot of time in mind. My son and my wife. My

spk_0:   23:05
time is finite, so we only get a certain amount of it, you know? And I heard someone say that like, Yeah, the only thing that even if you're trying to make money, money can be while you're on this planet. If you're good, smart with money, money can be infinite. You can have a nut more money than you can ever spend. But the union you'll always have a certain amount of time. And it is the most precious resource that you have individually and going back to what you said before about this oscillation situation. Marina. The moment, um, I'm actually enjoying the time with my family, even though, like my kids and my little boy's pretty full on good days by like, I mean, that's what you want. He's healthy. He's happy he's running around and, ah, yeah, like every moment is special. And I have missed so many of these moments working, Um, especially my daughter. You know, the 1st 2 years of her life, I was really working on what? Yeah, like I'd say for sometimes, like, 10 15 minutes in the morning. Get home and safe for maybe an hour in the afternoon or two hours. And then it's bath time and dinner in bed. And, you know, I like not getting those years back bar,

spk_1:   24:22
you know, You know, and before you know, they'll be out on exactly. Man live in the world.

spk_0:   24:29
I even like by the time they get to detain years like they're gonna start to one, they're not gonna know you as much. And I knew that. It's it's right off your family moved from from England. Ended up in security. Just, you know, JJ along on, then what? Oh, God,

spk_1:   24:49
We've got there. And we're just like I too young to remember, But we lived in like, a small sort of high rise. He taught sit up for a bit, which the company put that up in, and until we could find somewhere. And then we moved to a a suburb in INGE along. And then them mom and Dad decided, if we're going to be here. We want to make it. I got serious change. We didn't come in the living in a city, or so we moved just to regional Victoria like it was any Probably a 15 20 minute drive from Joe along towards Ballarat to a place at Bannockburn where pretty much spent the majority of my life. Um, yes, since I was probably three years old, Um pretty much lived there until Mom, sort of mid twenties, suburban sort of area now four country like

spk_0:   25:43
whole country.

spk_1:   25:44
It was you had your farmers, but then you also had your good a township so that they're the township was kulak school of 100 kids, um, up up until promise goal which now it's it's a huge town. Look, it's it's one of the I think it's actually one of the fastest growing towns in Australia, right, because there's so much space and they just keep opening in that subdivided it could. So many more people are moving out of Melbourne for a year and the commuting so that there's a lot of people that would leave in that town that would commute to Melbourne for work. Ah ah lot that don't that just commuted wrong. But it used to be the town that you'd go down the main street and you'd know everyone, every single person, and you if you know, you know every kid. And you know, we still have fond memories of just jumping on the push bike and checking on the the cricket bag and going down the cricket nets after after school and meeting up with my mates and just bought BMX gang. You know, like just freedom. There was no worry about safety of your Children. Oh, it was just a really cool place to grow up, and I it's definitely shaped me.

spk_0:   27:00
That was my question. You very sort of answered my next question. It was like, How do you reflect upon those those early? He's growing up in that down. Say it's it's just feeling, really,

spk_1:   27:10
if we're really lucky. Look, it was it was a well, the one horse Dan. So you know, looking back, there's things that you miss out on this things that you, um, that you run away from because you want more. Like what? Then there's plenty of people that I grew up with. This still leaving in the town and, uh, truly happy, and I truly respect that. And I never try and rub off what I'm doing on anyone else because this is my journey and everyone gets a chance to make their own path and my path is no better than theirs. It's just different. And that's why I've spoken to all my friends in the last week just touching base and they're happy like, and I'm really happy for them. And they're still still the guys that I grew up with, that we're so close throughout younger years and then into the early teens and late teens. They're still living in that town, and they're still, um, doing what they were doing. That and I fully respect that because sometimes I wish I could do that, but I just There's something inside me that I need to keep moving, and I don't know why, because sometimes I feel like it would be just easier to just do that. But I'm not here for the easy dumb. I'm here for the hard run, and it's a long run and ah, it's just the way I'm wired. I kind

spk_0:   28:37
of did. I'm just like, as you were saying those things. You're watching my facial expressions and shot in the head. I'm like I'm the same light. Did those words what you just said there? Like, I just have to keep moving. And that's how I've always felt, too. The fact that I'm here with you, we're talking just I just have these moments where I'm like the universe really does propel you towards like minded people, especially if you are on the right path in life, in my opinion, And then the right people then placed in your path to keep you on that same direction in trajectory. And yeah, I I'm sorry the same. Like I like I like culture are like people. And I, like you, said, I do respect the people that like to stay put. And you said again it was like if you could do that like I wish I could do that as opposed to I'm gonna just turn my life upside down and track my small family over to Southeast Asia and start a new job and you walk away from a really secure job and all that. Yeah, and it's been hard, but what happens? I think, with people like you and I CZ We have really hard times when we make those choices. But coupled with that, we have these, like, amazingly profound and beautiful moments. And you know, so it's like those those waves are more up and down as opposed to just even fly. Yeah, man, it's cool. That's good. And you

spk_1:   30:06
know what? What you've done is even hotter Hurricane. Like what? I feel really lucky to be able to come here and not have to worry about work working here. And it was something that we certainly we made a decision early that we didn't want to come here and try and start a business. We didn't want to come here and look. Obviously, he's touched on that. I'm a builder and, um, we could have come here and started his building multiple units and multiple buildings, and we could have come here and tried to toe get involved in a piece of Bali like a lot of people do on Guy. Don't disrespect the people that are doing that, because there's obviously a reason that they have to do that. But we certainly came here for a completely different reason. That was to try and just slow down and just give back Thio. Two people, not anyone in particular bit. My wife's unbelievable with running around looking after dogs and and things that she does offer a bat out of our own wallet that with no pats on the back with no social media. Look at this. What I'm doing. It's just something that she's become, um, really passionate about. And she's always been passionate about noid. Try and help us much like Ken. We've had times where I've been tackling mangy old dogs with towels and stabbing him in the box before. We could get our hands on the original, not attract a lot of just like, um, because

spk_0:   31:38
you can get it cause you

spk_1:   31:39
can get medicine. Obviously, now

spk_0:   31:40
there are medicines so tranquil a lot of

spk_1:   31:43
people don't realize that 99% of the mangy dogs you see they're all they need is a perfect item. But they just got Paris are so it's a skin disease. So the perfecter tablets are available now, so it's a lot easier a role because they have made flavored and you just throw them to the dog and I ate them. But in the early days, it was not really readily available. And you had to get it in a little injection at home. And so we'd be tackling the dog with a towel, holding it down, injecting it should get on the security stopped Scooter. Yeah, and then I sort of push or throw the dog and then have to hold the tail like a bullfighter.

spk_0:   32:20
Yeah, and

spk_1:   32:21
jump on the back of the scared and burn off before we got there. It was good fun. Like, we used to have a ball getting Barnes out of it. You sleep well? Not I just Did we just love

spk_0:   32:34
that Hagan, your exes? Us? Yeah,

spk_1:   32:35
pretty much. Pretty much. Just do what we can do. And we just want to be involved. And yeah, it's It's a beautiful place to bay.

spk_0:   32:44
Wanna be of service.

spk_1:   32:46
I don't Yeah. We're not here to try and increase that welfare we hit. It increases sort of our well being.

spk_0:   32:53
Why did you feel that you needed to do that then in the first place?

spk_1:   32:57
Um, more. My wife was the one that sort of called me out. Um, working long hours, big hours, um, to the point where I was almost divorce, she says. I had a grain facts like always going green. My skin knows Entitle Otto's. I was not exercising after playing sport most of my life and then going to just working flat stick and thinking that I was doing the right thing, thinking that I needed to get ahead from my family, thinking I needed to support my son. And it just was like a beast that kept growing and growing and growing inside of me to the point where I almost probably was gonna have a bright down. And she she was the one that picked up on it early and booked me a flawed to come to Bali with my business partner, Andrew um, who had spent a lot of time here over many years. And we've bean to quite a few places, but never barley. It was never on. My radar was never barley to me at that point was the place that you went, if you I wanted to get on it, Yeah, by holiday. It's just the way

spk_0:   34:06
it was

spk_1:   34:07
perceived, and it still is probably perceived that way,

spk_0:   34:09
and I think that's why

spk_1:   34:10
I feel really bad that I felt that way because when you get here, it's Yeah, sure. You could have that type of holiday if you wanted that.

spk_0:   34:18
There is a very small, very small you look at the whole while. It's very small, very small.

spk_1:   34:23
So here we came here he harder, hard a scooter and I are the scooter. And we spent two weeks and we drove around the whole island and it was just an eye opening experience, and it just completely changed the way I felt about everything. Um, including time that are spending at work compared to at home with my family. And it just might be right. Think I guess the meaning of life. No one really knows the meaning of life, but certainly adjusted my thought. Patton's and I got home, and I said to Sara, it was the most amazing thing you've ever done for me. And I'm so happy that I was able to experience that, Um, we're going back together because there's a place called Cheng Goo which at the time it wasn't what he is now on. That's just the based of barley.

spk_0:   35:13
I still love you like I still love it, but it's still got some tranquility that has it. Has it has. Like, I know where you live and you never I leave like I feel like sometimes I'm living in a foreign rule farm area. So I feel like I got one block and I'm amongst the cap Best Kathy eyes and good food and your creativity and your decades on motorbikes without helmets and and J strings as they're riding their martyr box for that A helmet.

spk_1:   35:39
Yep, that's it. It's got a little, never a dull moment,

spk_0:   35:44
Every ultra inspiring people s. I just said to

spk_1:   35:50
serve but to go. So we went home. I probably was listened to just over a month, like four or five weeks and oh, all three of us on the plane and we came over and she was like, This is amazing. I get what you're saying. I get what you're feeling. I feel the same way. And then we went home and we just couldn't stop thinking about it talking about it. And we both thought we were talking with friends about it, and I just didn't get it. I didn't mean and it was like

spk_0:   36:25
and amazes me How many Australians think it like that gets such a bad rap in the media? Yeah,

spk_1:   36:30
And then we were on a plane again within six weeks and well, here for Christmas. So we came out for Christmas, and we've just said if we formed Villa, we're gonna take it, and then we're gonna be here for a year, and then we didn't, like, a couple of days. You know? It's like you go down to the beach and met an old Oh, mate. Why? On yes? No, who's like legend, Dan? It better belongs to the sun. Now is the legend aka on And he was like, Yeah, come on. Um, my my family's got one foreign, and we end up meeting this beautiful family who we still see monthly. Um, And here we took the villa and we just looked at a Jones at all. Stuck it with me now for a year. So get on with it. And the rest of Spain history And we spent every minute we can here since.

spk_0:   37:23
Am I correct in saying that you actually built you built a place here?

spk_1:   37:27
Yeah, we have built a place now, but no, not not the way most people,

spk_0:   37:32
that's and that's what I do. You mind if we go into it a little bit? Because I do know the back story a little bit, actually. Haven't heard it from You have actually ordered from a friend, a mutual friend of ours. He told me how you did it and what you did. Um, can you share it? So, yes.

spk_1:   37:46
So we we had been spending a lot of time over in paran on which is where you live as well, and met a family just organically, um, staying in a long term villa there. And I had a son a little bit younger than house his name to Russia, and they just hit it off. Two boys just fishing and running around. And this bank boys playing, he'd come up to a house, get in their house and struck up an organic relationship. And that was a time when the town was obviously growing a little bit and his father taught, had some land, and he was trying likes me some line. And I said he sort of said to him, Come on, what? Join a Just a little bit of education that if he could put a villa on the land that in the 20 years time that he would be utterly set Villa. He would be so much more financially, like 50 times more financially, better off than if he just leased the pace of land to me. Not that I wanted to lease land at that time. And he said he couldn't afford to build the villa and he went down. I said, If you can lend the money, tried to lend the money and he couldn't find anyone that would lend him the money. Um And then we just were talking one day and I

spk_0:   39:08
said, What about

spk_1:   39:09
if we come up with just a completely different idea like we're in Bali, there's no real rules. You can just get a notary to write up whatever you want. So what about if we could design you a villa that would stand the test of time, But you have to build it. How I want it built being a builder. I was very particular, um, I can pay for the design and do that because our already had designed in mind, which I was able to sketch up, um, and way after doing the paperwork, we can pay for the building to be built. And in return, we can come up with an idea where we can lease that off you. Um and in a form of for every say without the white worked out in the end was every $10,000 we spent on the building we acquire years lease. Okay, It's good for us because the building was built with a lot more than that.

spk_0:   40:13
But let me clarify. You designed it. Yes. You built it? Yes. You spent the money?

spk_1:   40:19
Yes, but he provided the land.

spk_0:   40:21
Okay, so it is a joint venture so effectively when you build that he has, he brings the land. You bring the materials in the building, so hell and you're paying heed your buying off each other effectively? Yes. So lying lands based. He's buying the actual building.

spk_1:   40:37
He built it with my money. Always virtually pay for my lease up front without even being to see what I was getting.

spk_0:   40:45
That's pretty. Sounds risky. It's not. It's

spk_1:   40:49
it's a notary. It's ah, it's a just having that contract in place and legal document. It's really no different to going and leasing something for 10 years.

spk_0:   41:01
Has it all felt like up to standard like everything was regulated, like doesn't feel sketchy,

spk_1:   41:06
talk a bad word about any of the process. It has been seamless. I always make it feel like it is. Even though we're the ones that have put the money in. I always call it his Villa. It is his villa, in my opinion, even though we've had a lot to do with it. But we we at the end of the build also gave him 100 million, which was for his time that it talkto take out. He had to be, so he had to leave his work. He had been a win win for both, and it feels like we will have that villain l for for eight years

spk_0:   41:42
and end of that and

spk_1:   41:43
the end of that, I'm we have to give that back to him, and that's what we

spk_0:   41:47
want. Two for the next 12 years. So

spk_1:   41:50
instead of getting that 20 year land lease, he's got it for 12 years and he leases it with house for whatever the market value.

spk_0:   41:58
No, why Dave? So even in that, I said really well you know we have.

spk_1:   42:03
But you also did a lot for it. So it's not like a handout. And we have I'm not gonna sit here and say we haven't benefited because we can still like We could have built a really crappy villain and it probably would have been with 15 grand. Yeah, and we could have got it for 10. But it is a very nice villa. It's he's gonna it'll set him up for life. And I don't really have you.

spk_0:   42:25
Hey, must be just like And I guarantee when the build was happening, I guarantee he was making sure everything was done well. And it was my vert. Yeah, it was Ah, because he I mean, he had a real vested interested it like it's amazing

spk_1:   42:41
and it's being built like a lot of stuff. He doesn't get built for the test of time. You know that this this has been built something that he can he can, uh, can have for the rest of his life and passed on to his Children. So he's been good men like sitting here now like I, despite to him, and he's in the villa with 15 other family members swimming because we're not there, we're not using it. So flicking the keys, he's they're having a ball fade in the

spk_0:   43:08
cat who just Yeah, it is having

spk_1:   43:11
absolute ball kids that don't bombs in the pool in the background on the WhatsApp chat. And it's just such a ah cool thing.

spk_0:   43:21
That's community. More immunity. Yeah, it's a cool thing. It's Kimmy. It's this. It's the spirit of community. Like you're working together, helping each other like it's It's really beautiful, man. I say a lot of foreigners come here and just want to take, take, take, But I mean, like, you were saying I still benefited from it, but yeah, but it's still giving like it's still business. But I just think it seems like it hasn't

spk_1:   43:47
felt like business for us. It's like a two families coming together, gotcha and just working together for a common goal

spk_0:   43:55
Man, it's just really, truly inspiring dive, and that's sort of

spk_1:   43:58
something of sparking a lot like a few people about scenes like I'm not saying it's a great um, it's a great way of doing it, but that certainly coming here in lacing land for 20 or 25 years and putting a building on it and getting extension. But that's what everyone does. That's not the only way you can do things like this. You can open your mind up and you can think about ways and means of doing things because a lot of people don't wanna locking something for 20 years. I know. I'm not sure how you feel, but would you want to come and lease it? Uh, something for 20

spk_0:   44:35
years, or would you go on? I mean, it's a it's a risk, especially when you consider I mean, are you gonna get capital gains off? That isn't gonna Is it gonna pay you back later on? I mean, I guarantee, at the moment, there's a lot of people who have 20 year laces and and probably a bit concerned about those leases right now. Well, I guess, like any, any sort of investment is that Reese

spk_1:   44:56
I've met of met a few of the other local guys around friends, a fuse that have set off, you know, anyone else that's interested in what we've got land. Look, it's something that's really an interesting model that might actually be where

spk_0:   45:08
I was gonna say you might have started something you might have started this this new model of you know, And I think it's it'll actually braid more harmony as well. Yeah, it doesn't amongst the foreigners and the locals. I'm not not to say there's disharmony because the vocals are so damn tolerant and patient of us that blows me away. But it would just break more harmony and ethics. And it's all right, man. Oh, thank you. So, listen, u um, there will be up to you. Your family landed down in Angela J. Town, J Town Going to school. There are good memories. Skilled school. What were you like in our school? Let me get I'm gonna actually you know, I'm gonna play. Let me guess you with a sporty kid in high school, best subjects were woodwork, metal work. Stuff like that is

spk_1:   46:00
very much. Until I go, I've never been I've really smart. I think I got bullshit. Um, I goto look of all Was that what was working at 14? I was pushing a broom Enough side always worked at my first job. Same. I was pushing a broom in and filling your local supermarket used to ride the bike dinner on a Sunday, push it around. You get paid. I was paying board at that age, so I was coming home for a mom's like, 20% board.

spk_0:   46:30
Come on, Mom. Working my ass to the burn was paying 10%.

spk_1:   46:34
20% was always 20%. So it went from there to just the second job was 16. Um, I was at the chicken farms.

spk_0:   46:46
Chicken found

spk_1:   46:46
picking up eggs and get attacked by roosters. Stay gal's thin went onto the vaccinating crew just like catching chickens. Graduated? Yeah, vax rolled a few tractors. Got in some trouble, always messing around as a teenager. Yeah, I got a job once riding horses and hustling cattle.

spk_0:   47:08
Really? Never. Reno's e

spk_1:   47:12
worked it out of your way into Yeah, the first time I was on the whole second time. He's I think you take that for you. All right. Uh, and that was just a little summer job, but it always done something. Um, at school was never top of the class, but always could get through. I could always responded after, not sort of pay too much attention, but we had to get through at the end of the day. You're right. I did like woodwork. Plastics, the's a

spk_0:   47:40
plastic horse. Plastics. And what? You got plastic shapes and you could gloom altogether. And, Mike, let me get a car. A corrugated sheet, since now is like, just like Perspex. Can you? Um

spk_1:   47:54
woodwork, metalwork. It was all good sport. I was always the always considered myself to be the always committed, fully goes could tell Best training tell always the best unit, every training sesh every training session. Never missed a training session on time. Pumped up in a bear, every game voice out on it. But never My brother was the opposite. But he was really he was probably natural

spk_0:   48:22
A footballer. I fucking hate this, but

spk_1:   48:24
he was just couldn't give a shit Shit. So I was always the one. But then I

spk_0:   48:28
sort of sign caught up

spk_1:   48:29
around 30 for some reason has got I've got better As I

spk_0:   48:33
got older not let light blue like bloomer I fell. I fell 40 sentries, cycle legs, local lakes. I was the same, Like I grew up playing soccer, and I was always the smallest guy on the field, you know, um and I said there's something hard work out. But just because of my physical size, I could just I was just never was never the best player on the field. I wanted to be a so bad. So I just developed, like, small man syndrome. Like you wouldn't believe if I just wanted to fight. Every guy has terrible anger management issues, but, you know,

spk_1:   49:08
go do what you gotta do.

spk_0:   49:09
I'm still working on it. Good. Better. Okay. So yeah. So high school days. Yeah. Hey, that giga know that means someone told me. A Balinese told me if you're taught having a conversation and they get there goes off at a certain time, it means the spirits to like what you're talking about. Let's see if we can hear. Stopped, held, the market fired up. Hey, good

spk_1:   49:36
timing. Obviously not. Not not not like And what you are saying?

spk_0:   49:39
No, it doesn't like what you're saying, David, But on another note, man, it's Nebbi. It's like a fucking pitch dark dude like, but like this is like every single right in Bali is off right now we're looking off. The book had been in church that we're all about to sir Fillers. And it's, um, what? Can see, like, maybe four or five boats over Java. And there's not a lot in this guy. Um, and the window stopped and it just feels so still again. Slightly noisier, Just like waves breaking at temples out there. It'll allow Thio,

spk_1:   50:17
which we're going to serve tomorrow and try and save. Figured back's killing me, Put you in a bride.

spk_0:   50:23
I'm gonna Whatever it takes. I was so got it the other day when you two were serving temples with full people out just magic.

spk_1:   50:34
And we were two of them,

spk_0:   50:35
you know, two of them together. And the other one was like perception from Bali. But it listen, man crazy. I just love a love that, um I look, I really love your honesty about your ability. Levels. Like some people, you could easily sit here and die because I don't know Jack shit about your past. You could get Yeah, I was really good. It I feel like you're probably pretty good also, right. I was, You know, I seen that guy in your house. Good. Yeah.

spk_1:   51:03
I'm being actually having a kick again. I've been doing Molly, get guys Yeah. Just been running around there on a Wednesday. Not

spk_0:   51:09
too old. Oh, God. Not injured men. Just turn a little. You get injured. This what happens? But with people like you and I, when we played sport one or young stop for 10 15 years and for some reason in our forties think we can just go back and start where we left off and then boom, growing, gone back, gone, ankle rolled. Need blow out?

spk_1:   51:33
Uh, I haven't been playing games. Just a bit of training.

spk_0:   51:36
I said, You know, like friendly

spk_1:   51:38
isles afterwards, in a bit of chewing the fat with the couple of guys similar aged and it's just nice to be at a break. The wake up

spk_0:   51:46
and he's man Hump Day, home day. Just

spk_1:   51:48
head down to the ER like Waibel fins, and

spk_0:   51:51
I have never run around. It's good, isn't it? Good good crew down there, is it? It's really good. So he's just trying to do. And I'm just trying to look like I was always

spk_1:   52:01
playing games. They play. Ah, a lot of it would be Adam. I, um look, that had one booked in to go to, um Where were they going? Kalinka, I said They book like a a week away in Sri Lanka, where I go and play cricket against the shelling containment and they play 40 against them and then they're gonna head for three or four days of surfing and then a golf match. It all sounds fantastic. Bit. That's a big leave pass.

spk_0:   52:37
Especially. You got kids. They're likely stops at second kid especially. You know, I went on a surf trip when my daughter was like, three months old. I went with some really good bodies on this boat trip to the Maldives for 12 days, you prick. And she was super cool. Yeah, like a baby was really small, just breastfeeding. And she had a lot of support around it with the family and staff. But like in Hind thought I feel like it was really selfish move. And I felt a lot of guilt, like I didn't enjoy myself and other feelings. Had to accept that I'm just in a really different like life stage. Like those days. I just blonde. Did you do know that with that flash Yemen? So after high school, high school days were over and then did you transition straight to university.

spk_1:   53:25
I did. And as you.

spk_0:   53:26
So you must have got okay. Grades to get already.

spk_1:   53:30
I was

spk_0:   53:30
enough to get into university

spk_1:   53:32
was enough to get in. I didn't want to go.

spk_0:   53:35
I like that boy major guy.

spk_1:   53:38
Mom and Dad made me go. And my sister had already gone and completed a teaching degree at Ballarat University. And she she was a big influence as well. Um, just told me how good the party. Same was it Now? Hello? Uh, l cool. It is to get out of time. And, um and that's really looking back Was the only reason I went in the end. And I leave Don Reyes. Um, resident residents, Um,

spk_0:   54:06
not down with the lingo, man might keep gone. Yes,

spk_1:   54:09
I lived on residents and always young, young and silly. I was I didn't when I finished high school, but only just turned 17. So I got to send to school really early. Okay, So I was Jerry. No, I was 17 and then finish school. Obviously. Early November, I think. Isn't it so 78 and a bit and was after university with life ahead of me and just leave the life, I think. And I had some alarming. I have quite a lot of money because why? I've been working since I was 14 and

spk_0:   54:43
all the same fish or the Scrooge. Really? So I save a spirit medium money was saying I had When you head on over six grand in the bank, that's shit. Lives large

spk_1:   54:54
and always get a boy really nice car. And I end up blowing off. Afford six grand I saw you're holding, um, Corona,

spk_0:   55:07
ya know, those wagons wagons your wagon of ordered

spk_1:   55:12
off a group of travelling. I think they were from Germany and they were just on virtually on the way to the airport and leaving. And they're like, Oh, you want to blame my car? Oh, how much and what have you got? I was like, I'll give you 500 bucks. Took it,

spk_0:   55:28
got his car

spk_1:   55:29
for 500 bucks. And it was a Ripper like it never missed a beat. And I sold it for 500 bucks. Like three years late.

spk_0:   55:38
Freak are very. He's laid up. Yeah, but I had to I had to

spk_1:   55:41
buy the $500 car because I'd spent the five grand in, like, four months

spk_0:   55:47
on morning partying. Just just settle those easy, hard work. All that And I just pieced up the wall. Yeah. Did Yeah. Yeah. And now not even that are just I just shot

spk_1:   55:58
people or just be like, I

spk_0:   56:01
don't I just stupid stupid. But look, it shot, get a good time. So you weren't getting good grades then?

spk_1:   56:09
I I did. I got did, Yeah, I didn't go to any truths. I didn't get any, like, one on one stuff, But

spk_0:   56:19
I'd already experienced a

spk_1:   56:20
lot and always doing human resource management and Arjun s and stuff. And I already worked on chicken van for four years. I already knew our action s so by the time you got to the point of doing you into semester, whatever they used to call that,

spk_0:   56:37
So you had that life experience. I just just I just go back on that and write

spk_1:   56:40
my like, I talked about the one of the erogenous things was about, um, on incident. So I just talked about when I actually did roll a tractor and it rolled over my leg and I had to go and the, you know, the implications and just talked about where it went wrong and what it was actually. And then I got they called me in and I said, How you have have you got and I You haven't even been to a class. Have you got a B plus for this? You haven't been to any of those classes, even starting to anything. I'm just super smart. They accuse me of cheating. What? And I was like, I cheated.

spk_0:   57:15
It's just Well, you this is the university bello thing on.

spk_1:   57:21
Then. At that time, I'd already been kicked off rays on. Then Mom and dad said to me, I can't believe you've been kicked off. Rez. You can You can start transmitting train going in on the bus because all still wasn't old enough to drive. Um,

spk_0:   57:37
what about the Corona? Hadn't got that kind of used to it after you jostle a guy.

spk_1:   57:43
So, um, I was like, I'm not going on the bus all the way to Bella at every day and or trying to get a lift off someone, and then I end up just deferring for a year. And then I came home and I was all bombed and I've gone from this lot style of just just every night, just out and about doing whatever we wanted to dispatch him. I'm a dad's and

spk_0:   58:06
then it's heavy. That's a mate

spk_1:   58:08
of mine, had gone into the reserves and was like, Get outta here, do something. And you know, that Total went and did the 45 day challenging the reserves and considered my sister was already full time in the Army.

spk_0:   58:23
I encouraged, you know,

spk_1:   58:26
Not really. We don't really didn't really speak with her that much. She lived in W II and just sort of she left when she was 17 to join the Army, and she had her own family and sort of grow part of it. But I said I'd be good. Just a film because you got paired decently, Jason as well. So put the coroner. I didn't even know I did have the credit.

spk_0:   58:49
I'm sorry. I just find it's way your first car was a Corona, considering it's true. That's true. Very we'd,

spk_1:   58:59
um So, uh, yeah, I did that. And then I got out of there and came home, and I started as an apprentice. Brick Lyle, That's my first first introduction to the construction industry.

spk_0:   59:14
I free clown did it. That's got to be hired, man. Nightline Bricks is an apprentice. You know you're pushing Barris mixing and matching slurry for oryx. Modest. Larry, it was hard. It

spk_1:   59:27
was It was good. I I

spk_0:   59:29
did a wake of it. A zoo library months for actually. Was Kurban gotta write that bin and they did Brick Lane. But we did this one day was like they were lying. Kurban gotta. Anyway, they had this special machine, and so I had to make that put the concrete number, Then the top lie out to be like the nice foreign concrete. They called it the slurry, and I had to mix that had a really particularly consistency. So you're at the like, make sure you're getting a mixtures rot in keeping up with a little machine. And you know when you're getting Yoda and then sometime you're digging it was dead set the to this day the hardest days

spk_1:   1:0:06
working back then it was it was tough, like, let's start off with a small domestic company and just wasn't getting any time on the trail. So I just wanted to, like, break So it's just like I'm ready to life breaks and always do. Is mixing marred stacking bricks ready to be someone else toe like them? So you just being a library and then ah, family friend worked at Ah, it was like a boss of a beak, sand and cement supply place in town, and I spoke to him one day, and so has it all gone. Said I'm not getting any chance. D'oh. Bit bummed. You know, he said, I have a chapter, a few of the bigger guys that come and boil the supplies here, and I'll see if I can get your geek with them. And then Pate Lady's name was He actually did, and he got me on to a guy took May owners, uh, still still first your printed. So it's the end of my first year apprentice. I went and worked for Lana Skinner. His name was, and he's still a bit of a mentor for me Now. I still talk to him about business and things, and but back then it was It was hard knocks. It was a lot of bullying leveled off the apprentices. It was you had this subculture. It's just it is what It was

spk_0:   1:1:20
a rite of passage. It is here on the pig on their

spk_1:   1:1:23
product was good because we were working in big, big jobs. We did diddle the block lying and some prisons, and we had these big jobs that used to get sight money. Okay, so you got. Instead of earning $200 a week, you get a little bit more because you were on bigger jobs and then started at that time. I just started in a band. Um what? Yeah, we played in a band for quite a few

spk_0:   1:1:48
100 player play guitar? No. Why? I didn't know that about.

spk_1:   1:1:52
And then that was building. So that was. In the end, The band was my biggest form of income because we'd play three nights a week, some weeks, other weeks. We'd paid too. But you getting 150 bucks in your hand? Cash. Plus you got toe drink as many beers

spk_0:   1:2:07
as your wonderboy here. They're fine.

spk_1:   1:2:08
Have fun. And then you tell your crew that what pop you're playing at tonight and then they don't all come on. It was just like it was cool. That was a good time enjoyed my apprenticeship. You enjoyed it thoroughly. And and, uh, had that weekend thing going on with the band, and it was a good tonal off.

spk_0:   1:2:28
Nice man. Is that when you kind of, like, realize that high? I thrive in this thriving? This kind of work is kind of in ever Think you

spk_1:   1:2:38
ever know what you wanna do?

spk_0:   1:2:40
But it seems that you stuck with it, though. So you went from being a bricklayer. I r thio. What? I become much in charge. So you became like the foreman?

spk_1:   1:2:49
Yeah, off off the crew, So Okay, you know what way?

spk_0:   1:2:53
You're off the tools?

spk_1:   1:2:55
No. Still wanted to be on the tools and still want to be doing this. Set out working out what walls would go to next. Like the last prison we built was the one in jail along the big light. Is prison next to ball in prison. And that was a big job over there for every year until you sort of got a work out where you can work and who's working in that area So you could go on, Just go. So take your place then. Oh, HNs was not as bad as it is these days, but it waas still there, and I'd just be organizing, making sure we're ahead making sure we had deliveries. Making sure we we owe everyone was busy, but also lame blocks, mostly blocks. Yeah, cool. Feeling blocks.

spk_0:   1:3:37
Eso then did you When did you get to the point where you, like, sort of branched off and started

spk_1:   1:3:42
drawing business? Well, law, no offered me a partnership which will accept it. And I was like a three year, three year deals. I was never a boy, and it was just gonna be a I worked for three years. I worked my guts out. Hey, slowly works less, and then at the end, I take the business. But in the meantime, he going through a bit of a troubling thing. But marriage breakdown and things are starting to fall apart. And I could see the writing on the wall. And at that stage is when pre cast concrete was becoming extremely affordable, um, and popular so I could see the writing on the wall that the block lying industry, which is the industry wearin, was on the way out. Um, and it's still not what it used to be when we were doing it. Because there's too many other products out there now. Yeah, um, and at that point, I was like, Well, I've got some really good construction management skills. And, um, I had a talk with long when I said, I don't think it I'm going to continue, even though I could have taken the business on, only had a year left. Um, and I applied for a role as a construction manager for a commercial shedding company that built, like the big domestic commercial shared industrial shits. And ah, yeah, I got that job and I went into that. And I've always been really ambitious. And really, I take it on as if it's my own, um, and yeah, there for a few years and then end up running that pretty much dull show. Um,

spk_0:   1:5:14
but did you enjoy it? I did enjoy it. And you know the challenge of it.

spk_1:   1:5:18
I did enjoy it. It was all new to me. I had to learn how to use a computer again. I had to learn howto send faxes. I had to let I had to learn howto, um, even write e mails and punctuation and look professional. Um, because you lose that if you don't doing it, you lose

spk_0:   1:5:40
it. It's a different skill. Set you back out of your comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Um, so you

spk_1:   1:5:46
know what? I enjoyed everything about it. Except for he was a prick. Um, it billows me super to this day. Chased it. Hardy claimed bankruptcy opened again in a different name. It was a bad experience, but it shaped May. As a businessman,

spk_0:   1:6:01
you learn a lot.

spk_1:   1:6:02
I'll never ever do that to an employee. Yeah, I know how it feels. So

spk_0:   1:6:07
believe me, it was

spk_1:   1:6:08
a life lesson that, um I'll never forget

spk_0:   1:6:12
at socks. How sometimes, like, yeah, the most valuable lessons have to be hard. Yeah, the norm of the best lessons over the best lessons. It's just just allergies, I guess. The West man. Yeah, I am. Yeah. I had my stint as a library for many years. Like when I finished school. Um, I didn't, like, gone back. Actually, I work since I was four, Dane and I actually regret starting so early because I had to stop because I grew up in a single parent households, single Mom. We didn't know if I wanted money to do anything. I had to work. I used to work at a video store video. Easy. You know, I was actually trying to explain what a VHS tape is. My daughter the other day. She what? That she could not get it anyway, Um, so I actually regret not actually working so young. I still work every weekend, go to school every Monday to Friday, then work said a Sunday. And I just missed out on so many good times with friends, you know, doing stuff. I was working and I still don't. I didn't I wasn't want you. I didn't save $6000. Just like I started too early. I used to

spk_1:   1:7:25
work every school that I like any

spk_0:   1:7:27
minute sign. And that was the same thing. Skin. It's holidays for camels. Like working full time. And then I went to university. I didn't go straight to university from high school, but then I was working as a laborer. Worked something that, like two or three jobs like labor through the day. Waiter night, you know? Yeah. And I honestly feel like it killed my creativity in war. Mia and I actually wish I if I could get, like, the lesson I learned was I don't know, I was too hung up on money. Yeah, And it wasn't till I started to actually know care about money. Is that? Oh, a couple of things that are right. Yep. It's interesting. So

spk_1:   1:8:08
I know what you're saying. Always always drilled early from my parents that, you know, you gotta wear

spk_0:   1:8:13
the word. We're cards. I used to think that for many years apart, I've changed

spk_1:   1:8:16
recently. It's funny. Like I was on the motor book the other day coming down, um, same poll. I

spk_0:   1:8:24
love that straight. Fear of

spk_1:   1:8:25
it was on the front, and I'm always on the middle and Sarah's on the back and he looks up at me Guys dead. When I grow up, I want to do what you do on I said, Oh, you wanna be a builder? And he said, No, do nothing. Technically, I don't do

spk_0:   1:8:45
nothing because you No, you didn't. You worked yourself, you know, worked yourself into this

spk_1:   1:8:52
basada red. Always thinking to myself. I am I

spk_0:   1:8:55
setting a good example.

spk_1:   1:8:56
But is that a good example? But

spk_0:   1:9:00
you know I think it is. It's funny. Like my my parents did pretty good. Like they're retired. Bang on 55. Yep. That just when we're done. And they worked hard for many, many years, but, um, that actually copped a little bit of ridicule from people for retiring too early. Nobody can do it today, so yeah, and they're like, Well, that actually bought an old school bus, decked it out, turned it into a really nice, smart time and just did laps of Australia and at the best life. But and And they actually still living in that boss because they love it so much to be getting wed. Mom. Um, yeah. So it's I think it's, um you've created a lifestyle by design through that diligence and hard work through most of your life here. And it allows you in a way, you actually you've bought your time with your son. Yeah, Kareena. Actually, I think you've done. You've bought your time with this on. It's crazy.

spk_1:   1:9:54
It's crazy. But it's, um I think anyone can do it. You just need to give up what you've got. Santa hasn't been easy because come even dis moving here and doing this. It's not an easy move. And you do miss people when you do have days of, you know, just lying there thinking, What am I doing? And why am I here? And you do have those days and it is hard. But I think it at wise, the good stuff at Why's that stuff?

spk_0:   1:10:26
Yeah, I agree, man. I'm in a really we'd place at the moment very reflective. I don't wanna go back to the current situation in the world, but I'm going to anywhere I like. I don't think I've ever felt these feelings of like it's almost like these feelings of, like Apocalypse. If if that's what an apocalypse, ese, it's bizarre. Yeah, it's a

spk_1:   1:10:52
really, really strange world at the moment,

spk_0:   1:10:54
and I was sitting here talking about this place we love, but it's it's looking like I'm gonna be forced to leave. Um, it's Ah, it's really surreal, you know? It's, um I don't know. I guess you just got a

spk_1:   1:11:09
look at it as a step sideways,

spk_0:   1:11:12
step sideways, but also real lessening surrender until the world and surrendered to life and and just a reminder that we were not controlling anything we don't really have control.

spk_1:   1:11:22
No, we don't. It's amazing. Everything's being stripped away from us. Yeah, um and, yeah, You worry about the people that are making the decisions. I do any.

spk_0:   1:11:35
Yeah. I mean, that's a whole another conversation he's is like, I would want this lesson that these these these lessons before. But I guess when you're actually really face the situation that you can talk about it, you're gonna surrender. And I've got a gun of relinquished control in a But then when you actually put in the position where you actually have to do it like I just carry on like a cry baby. Listen, man, do you? It's very unhappy. What time is it? It's been like I've been Aaron 12 minutes too long. May I talk a lot So much. I was answering questions. Young. It's great. I'm like it's been a big die like big day of just sitting around and enjoying this day. Sol is like

spk_1:   1:12:23
right watching the two kids really connect implies being beautiful

spk_0:   1:12:27
to get along dried out. It's

spk_1:   1:12:29
believing that. Is that a couple of years difference in I agents Still so, uh so pure.

spk_0:   1:12:36
Ned's a really kind kid, and I'm not just saying that he's going to. Cassie's older than my daughter and kids tend to have a tendency to try to dominate when they're out of it. Is kind. Thank you so big. And that says they're no match. All

spk_1:   1:12:48
we've ever wanted from from Our Sun is just We've never really cared too much about education, three probably years. I think it's more about trying to turn them into good humans and kind humans and having that report for other people, no matter where they're from or or what their background is. That's been our number one focus, and I put my hand up now on sites. Definitely 90% is Mom. She's an absolute work or she gave up a career in real estate, that she was flying along, that we decided to have kids and we had kids and I kid, um, that's another story. Um, and she has stuck it out at home and cheese seriously, the best mother and why, if I could ask for And she often underestimates what she's done. But that human that she helped create and that human she has taught, um, over these 1st 7 years is just an absolute she should take. Take take my hat off to

spk_0:   1:13:53
my mate. It's beautiful, bird. I should really appreciate hearing that. I yet she will. She and I think she knows it, man. She knows. Dude, I, um I was gonna say I because it today's nippy. It's the day of silence, and I just think it's one of the best public holidays I've ever seen anywhere in the world. It's the only country in the world that actually closes its international airport for a whole day. Um and they actually usually turn the Internet off for the whole country. Yes, and ah, And then what I love is the next day is like New Year's Day and I forget the actual name of it. Forgive my ignorance, but did you know what they're required to do? Tomorrow is Tomorrow is usually the public holiday. Like in Australia, we have boxing day after Christmas, right for them. What they do is it's the day where Ugo find your family members and ask for forgiveness. Yeah, I for I forgive them if you've got any grievances with him and starting and cleans. That said we got a clean slate. I'm like, How good is that? Those two days, a day of reflection and then a day of, um, amends. I just think the whole world could take a lesson on that right now. I agree. I agree completely. And I feel like it's very interesting that what's going on with the pandemic is counting siding with nappy. That's Ah, definitely some big lessons being weren't. And I just can't wait to see the positivity that comes out of this situation. So there will be positives.

spk_1:   1:15:30
It will be for sure.

spk_0:   1:15:32
Now, listen, brother, I ask your guests to come to the podcast with a cause. And what's your clothes today? Ah, Bailly Pit crusaders. Polly pick crusade is roger picnic.

spk_1:   1:15:45
Um, my wife does quite a bit of work, uh, with them. And, um, they're just ah non profit organization that go around and they'll help local people sterilize and look after their their pets. So Sara often finds dogs in distress, and she knows she can contact them guys, and they're pretty prompt in there. And they're happy to come over and, um, and help. And they just do a fantastic job.

spk_0:   1:16:15
I mean, that's great. It's a great cause. I love that. And the next thing I want to say is, um listen, Burt, I'm gonna give for really good I'm gonna gives forever Allah. Um, 1st 1 I've actually got two gifts. Just get into my baggy gift. Number one. Did is you get the because you've been a guest on the show. I only give these two people that have been guests on the show. Okay? And it's the terrible happy talk circle Lego stick out and its the alumni stickers. So only people that have been on the show get these diggers. So you get a table talk, stickup. Thank situations. Thank you. And what's so sure I'll say no size no. Did you get a pair of Indo sells?

spk_1:   1:17:07
Well, I've already got a pay and I'll accept

spk_0:   1:17:10
a second, but he won't flip flops of slides slide me up. Did you get a pair of India's soul slides? Shut out crackers and Kyle for supporting the show? Awesome Dudes making shoes out of re purposed murder vehicle Tawes Just the best thing I love also and they're comfortable and they're comfortable. They look good. They look good, brother. Do you want to say? You know just

spk_1:   1:17:36
things for having a chat. It

spk_0:   1:17:38
feels like we just

spk_1:   1:17:38
had a chat. Doesn't feel like

spk_0:   1:17:40
I have much to add to your podcast. Ernie. I

spk_1:   1:17:45
know everyone's got a story. It is one. Isn't that good? Dune? But

spk_0:   1:17:49
I disagree. 100% disagree. I do.

spk_1:   1:17:53
I I think I said this to you before

spk_0:   1:17:57
the show. Aren't you D'oh stuff. You need to get out of your comfort zone. I don't know your real story. I reveal. What about myself on the show? You do. You are going back to what you were talking about earlier with, like, say, that building you made with the local? Yep. That's like your way of being service to the community for May I Just with my with my life busy life to little Children. I feel like this is just once more. Why that I can't. I'm trying to be of service like give something to the world for free. Um, and I really feel like the power is in the people's stories because everyone's story is unique and I'm just providing people an opportunity to share that because the whites happened for you. might be exactly how someone else needs to hear it, and that could provide them with healing inspiration. Or it could have just they could hear something they just needed to hear, so they make a big change in their life. So dude, like I'm just trying to be of service, just like like you are, and I can sell that

spk_1:   1:18:56
What you're doing is fantastic.

spk_0:   1:18:57
Thank you, my brother. And like I said, like, What resonates for May throughout this whole part? Gases I'm sitting in This thing is I feel like I'm speaking to someone who just wants to start giving to the world as opposed to taking. And and that's, I think, fundamentally the biggest human problem. She just take that side, man. That's why I think like I'm drawn to people like you and people like you end up on the broadcast. Sometimes it's out of my control. I just felt like you needed to be on, so thank you to invite the word for your time. Thanks, mate. And listen. If you like the show, can you please write a review for me an iTunes good or bad? Or reach out on instagram similar D m Any questions for Dave, Especially about maybe that model that he sees created her and her and changing for beauty, Reach out and are passing messages on to Dave or you can probably find him. I'll put links to his charity in his show notes. Which will you confined on the terrible happy talks dot com website and that will link you to all the platforms such as iTunes. Apple quite cast Spotify bust her out stitch are Google podcasts and any other platform that works best for your device. So, brother thank you. Very happy. Happy Taliban. Howdy, Ryan Nappy saying the world, Yes, but surfing tomorrow last time.